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October 28, 2011


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Marvin Gonzalez

When I read Zizek write "The art of politics is also to insist on a particular demand that, while thoroughly "realist", disturbs the very core of the hegemonic ideology: ie one that, while definitely feasible and legitimate, is de facto impossible." A demand similar to the one proposed here is what i immediately thought of. One of the most important want workers is by a steady flow of umemployment and therefor labour power. Great job!

Douglas Lain

Zizek also speaks of impossible demands that are only made with the tacit understanding that the demands will not be met. It is difficult to know precisely what kind of demand this is exactly.


I think most of these demands are of the type that Marvin suggests - feasible but impossible under the current political coordinates. Where these demands will lose vast numbers of working class people is regarding jobs for the undocumented - this is one of the fissures that reactive forces have exploited repeatedly. That doesn't mean OWS shouldn't demand this but it just points to the challenges a broad based movement faces even during an economic catastrophe.


Not that I haven't seen you advocate for it before, but jobs for all should involve some basic income program, because the plethora of work people could be doing is excluded by keeping work attached to wages.

Matthew Black

I really like this. I think one point which bears more emphasis, along the lines of suggestions about basic income, is the primary role of education, social reproduction, and the definition of work. I think when a lot of people consider massive federal reinvestment, they imagine pouring concrete and building bridges--which is also important, but in the area I live, there's less need for infrastructure and more need for household stability, educational credentials, and 'spare time.' Not closing these definitions off by making them strictly vocational, but more radically, insisting that working-class immigrants, especially women, have a right to a college-level education for free, could be one approach.

Nam Seylon

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