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July 06, 2009

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Evan D.

I might have missed this, but what are "subjective economics"?

Bob Allen

Social processes animate subjects-- but I reach an opposite conclusion: class relations, or rather their oppositional nature, are exposed through struggle such as industrial strikes. But one has to be in that situation, and maybe even have a grasp of theory, to put the pieces together to build class consciousness. Therefore deindustrialization is no accident.
Communicative capitalism as I read it is kind of a superstructure that sits atop the surplus value extracting basic capitalism-- it is like a screen, emanating a false consciousness.
Your point about the divisions along lines of identity is quite true

Mehmet Çagatay

Hello,

I just started reading your text (Communicative Capitalism: circulation and the foreclosure of politics), so far I have the impression that perhaps your concept implies a situation where the letter never "arrives" its destination (as in the case G. Bush did not "receive" the anti-war massage of the masses) since massages are produced for the sake of exchange in the first place. As long as massages are admitted in circulation, they are considered as received regardless of their addressee.

I have a question about your judgment that "intense circulation of content in communicative capitalism forecloses the antagonism necessary for politics". I assume "foreclosure" in your work is related to psychosis, if it is so, does not the particular characteristic of this flight of ideas (absence of Leftist quilting points) determine the foreclosure of politics, but not the intensity of circulation?

I’m only at page 4 of your text, thus forgive me if my question is due to my impatience or misunderstanding.

Jodi

I don't understand the question (or maybe the implication?). Anyway, foreclosure would not determine intensity; intensity would have its own dynamic (energetics). FYI--in the version of Comm Cap coming out in the book in September, I tone down the language of foreclosure at that point, concerned that it might be too strong. But, by the final chapter, I've returned to it explicitly, sketching the contours of the psychotic politics that result.

Mehmet Çagatay

Hello,

To be clear, while I was reading your text (a 34 page long word doc) two passages came to my mind from Lacan and Marx. In the first one where Lacan points out that punctuation plays a decisive role of hooking up, he argues that neurotics also speaks their inner discourse sometimes as frequently as psychotics but with the exception that they are not possessed by a scrambling device. (I related this passage with your emphasis on "intense circulation of content") the other passage is from Capital, where Marx, defines the exchange of commodities as a "modus vivendi" of capitalist production, a form in which its contradictions and inconsistencies exist side by side: "For instance, it is a contradiction to depict one body as constantly falling towards another, and as, at the same time, constantly flying away from it. The ellipse is a form of motion which, while allowing this contradiction to go on, at the same time reconciles it." With Lacan in my mind, I thought that maybe you are putting much emphasis on circulation than it deserves, but with Marx, I thought you might be right, circulation itself reconciles the contradictory content. Again, this was my first impressions of the first 4 pages. I’m still there as it was 6:00 am and I felt sleepy. Hopefully I will finish it tonight.

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