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October 06, 2007

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Micah Tillman

Where does one go to sign up for the "9-11 theorist" job? Sounds like a sweet gig to me.

Or better, how can I get the government to fund my theorizing? I certainly do plenty of it!

Andrew

"unethical and un-American activities."

I suppose this is a strategic redeployment--co-opting--the term "un-American." Still, I'd say that the government's actions are, rather, a preeminent expression of the American *State*.

I'd like to think this is obvious, but to reduce imperialism, militarism, and class war (through the vector of personal liberty of course!) to a matter of ethics and ethical governance is to become one with bourgeois ideology. The very model of a modern American liberal.

George Novack:

"Middle-class liberals nowadays [1969]– and the reformist socialists and Stalinists who trail in their wake and mimic their ideas – believe in the existence of a state that stands as an impartial arbiter above the selfish contention of classes and deals justly with the respective claims of diverse “interest groups”. This exalted notion of a classless state presiding over a pure democracy, based on the consent of the people, rather than engaged in the defence of the property, rights of the ruling class, is the core of bourgeois-democratic ideology.

Historical materialism takes a more realistic view of the nature of the state. The state is the product of irreconcilable class conflict within the social structure, which it seeks to regulate on behalf of the ruling class. Every state is the organ of a given system of production based upon a predominant form of property ownership, which invests that state with a specific class bias and content. Every state is the organized political expression, the instrument, of the decisive class in the economy.

The principal factor in determining the character of the state is not its prevailing form of rule, which can vary greatly from time to time, but the type of property and productive relations that its institutions and prime beneficiaries protect and promote."

What is un-American is to take the Marxist theory of state (the distinction between gov't and state) as foundational.

Andrew

Should read:

I suppose this is a strategic redeployment--a co-opting--OF the term "un-American."

Andrew

I never know how much of what I say is banal or self-evident (or completely nuts), partly b/c I don't study political theory professionally, but I think that the Bush Admin's proximity to the State, its essential one-ness with the State, functions as a(n unrecognized) return of the repressed for American liberals.

There is nothing MORE American than the State itself. It is when the State (the military, the national security apparatus, etc) becomes too visible, bleeding into and saturating the cloak of governance, that liberals react with horror at "unethical" policies and behaviors.

It is the visibility of the State, its strut and swagger, which shocks. A Clinton or a Carter, a Democrat, suppresses the State from public view, but this is not the same thing as checking its power (in the long run).

That the corporate media and informational infrastructure (internet service providers, etc) and the arms industry are a nearly unitary bloc of Capital (GE, Westinghouse, etc), is a testament to the deep suffusion of the State within communicative capitalism.

The Clinton-era Telecommunications Act of 1996 assured this, bringing the State closer to the eye than ever before, channeling the eye just as the highways and railroads of the 19th and 20th century industrial magnates moved bodies and steel.

Verizon, Comcast, etc, these are the Vanderbilts and Morgans of our moment... and they harness and capitalize on human attention and embodied faculties, melting and digitizing them for profit.

Virno's answer to this is Exit, refusal. Yet I wonder if this is the equivalent of suggesting that individually hoarding iron ore would have harmed the robber barons and industrialists of the pre-Fordist era.

Adam Kotsko

There was a South Park episode based on the premise that "9/11 Truth" groups were all government plants.

Dominic

The creators of South Park are pretty obviously on the payroll, though...

gabriel christou

please visit www.gabrielchristou.blogspot.com

you will see PHOTOS of WHO and WHERE Bin Laden and his NETWORKS ARE....

PLEASE FORWARD THIS INFORMATION TO THE FBI
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Jodi

Micah--I'm not sure how well it pays, unless you write a bunch of books about it.

Qlipoth

One of the most pervasive lies professors tell their students is that questioning the assertions of the government is evidence of paranoia.

One of the silliest lies journalists tell their readers is that questioning the assertions of the government actually strengthens that government:

"By looking under the rug for what isn’t even there,..."

Mr. Douglas Rushkoff states that he knows there's nothing there - but he doesn't tell us how he knows this. We're expected to take his word for it.

"In fact, the most logical conclusion I can draw from the existing evidence is that 9-11 theorists are themselves covert government operatives,"

This may well be the most logical [sic] conclusion Mr. Douglas Rushkoff is capable of drawing from the existing evidence, but this tells us only that Douglas Rushkoff's powers of reason are sadly limited. It does not imply that Mr. Rushkoff's conclusion is a rational conclusion, much less that it is the most rational conclusion to be drawn from the existing evidence. On the contrary.

Talking of rationality: I wonder what Lynn Margulis, Daniele Ganser, Michael Parenti, Peter Dale Scott, Cynthia McKinney and Howard Zinn (to name but six) feel when a blithely point-missing hack such as Rushkoff can slander them so shabbily and then be quoted approvingly on an academic's weblog.

Qlipoth

Oh yeah, and...

"Our government excels at doing its really bad stuff out in the open."

Aha. Like this?

"Revealed: CIA offered $2m to Lockerbie witness and brother"

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1730667.0.0.php

This evidence of CIA bribery comes out 17 years after the Lockerbie bombing, and two years after a retired Scottish police chief confirmed that the CIA had planted the key piece of incriminating evidence:

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1855852005

Conclusion: If someone does bad things in public, this does not imply that he hasn't done even worse things in private. Logic 101, for Douglas Rushkoff.

reasoninrevolt

That is the craziest thing I've ever read! Delete the post!

Chris mankey

"By looking under the rug for what isn’t even there,..."

Mr. Douglas Rushkoff states that he knows there's nothing there - but he doesn't tell us how he knows this. We're expected to take his word for it."

Gee, I'll just take the word of 9/11 conspiracy dweebs that all thier bizare assertions about 9/11 are true! Yep! Larry Silverstien taped any interview with pbs and because he said "Pulled it" instead of "Pulled them" that proves he blew up the building! Sure. Who cares about Iraq or the very real crimes of the Bush admin. when you can go on and on and on about "freefall speeds" and "melted steel. FUCK YOU !

Qlipoth

"FUCK YOU !"

The 'arguments' presented by Mr. Chris "Exclamation Mark" Mankey are every bit as impressive as they look. Mankey by name, and manky by nature.

Have you ever heard of the burden of proof, Mr. Mankey? I didn't think so. (Have patience; you're probably be introduced to the topic, gently, sometime after the tenth grade.) And who mentioned Larry Silverstein, "freefall speeds" or "melted steel"? You and you alone.

Of course, you know why you did that: because, although none of these topics have anything whatsoever to do with the point at issue, they were the very best you could come up with. Sad, really, but not surprising.

In other news: Terror. You better believe it.

gabrielchristou

please visit www.gabrielchristou.blogspot.com

you will see PHOTOS of WHO and WHERE Bin Laden and his NETWORKS ARE….

PLEASE FORWARD THIS INFORMATION TO THE FBI

gavriild@gmail.com

Bob Allen

This is the kind of discourse I ran into as an unwitting ace Troller of Ron Paulites on You Tube...talk about decline of symbolic efficiency! The Libertarians who claim to be anti-statists are the chief defenders of property rights, and want to take over the State in the name of dismantling it!
I thought a troll was someone who went surfing the web looking for trouble(my own little symbolic efficiency deficiency), but Wiki says it's anybody who makes controversial statements on purpose..woah! That covers alot of ground, including Jodi's recent "event" debacle with the monkey business and all- sheesh...

Chris mankey

"And who mentioned Larry Silverstein, "freefall speeds" or "melted steel"? You and you alone."

EVERY 9/11 conspiracy "theorist" I've talked to!

"The 'arguments' presented by Mr. Chris "Exclamation Mark" Mankey are every bit as impressive as they look. Mankey by name, and manky by nature."

Wow what a conspiracy CUNT. FUCK YOU AGAIN!

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