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June 29, 2006

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Amish Lovelock

The end of the Malcomn X movie is the worst bit about it precisely because of its patriotism.

Amish Lovelock

Something weird going on with my spelling here...

Lynn

You hit the nail on the head in the last paragraph.

I was at a baseball game this year where in addition to the national anthem, there was an honor guard ceremony, jet fighters flew over the stadium, and Navy special forces parachuted onto the baseball field. If that wasn't enough, they sang God Bless America during the seventh inning stretch. I was afraid we'd have to say the Pledge of Allegiance to get out of the ballpark at the end of the game.

What a great day. You get to cheer for the home team and feel good about what is going on in the country at the same time--all for the price of admission.

pebird

I have to be honest (well, frank) here - I truly don't know what it means to be patriotic in the U.S. at this point in time. I see no activity that looks like classic patriotism.

The troops in Iraq aren't patriotic as much at Kantian - they fully accept their duty and execute it - I am in awe and respect of that kind of commitment.

But to be a "patriot" now seems to require some sort of Kool-Aid drink. Like Eugene in a previous thread (I hope I don't attract flies with my shit here), you have to lobomize your reason and repeat whatever someone with authority had told you to just because it is right.

I'm not sure, but that wasn't what I thought being patriotic meant.

Virgil Johnson

I guess it can, at least for me, be reduced to not wanting a patriotism that does not respect humanity. In history there are places where people who are Americans can be proud. It just has become so clouded over the last few years - like a pall descending on the people with this present administration.

Not that it is any different, but the boldness of these acts has even shocked some of the most strident supporters of the "American way." Knowledge of what has really happened in the past, and present day atrocities makes celebration hard if not impossible (I have problems with other holidays also).

This year's 4th of July I think I will lay low and not be so verbal about my opposition to this country's direction (not that I have changed my mind, but I am so tired of conflict). It started out really bad regarding the flag burning issue on another blog, where I pointed out the only way to get rid of a desecrated flag is to burn it - but I was afraid "that we would have to gather up all the flags we could find and make a bonfire of it because of the numerous accounts of desecration" - and than all hell broke loose. There has got to be a better way to engage people.

Levi

It seems to me that patriotism brings out the worst in the imaginary. I think you're exactly right when you point out that it can't be separated from nationalism and militarism. Additionally, at the level of the signifier, it invites us to identify with the name (America) as the principle of the good, rather than a set of values behind that name, and thus contributes to the veiling of those principles.

At the risk of being a horrible blog whore, I write about this logic in terms of Hegel here:

http://larval-subjects.blogspot.com/2006/06/hegel-and-logic-of-imaginary.html

micah holmquist

I'm not sure what Malcolm X movie is being discussed here, but I'm not a big fan of Spike Lee's movie but I do love the scene towards the end where, if I remember right, Malcolm X picks up the black doll for the young and girl who thanks him and he says something like, "your welcome my beautiful black sister."

As for patriotic holidays, I want War Critics Day.

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