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March 16, 2006

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Apparently having something to do with a moderately long-standing disagreement over Levinas and Zizek, Doug attempts to re-focus the question onto race and the state and Jodi disagrees with Doug and then Angela disagrees with Jodi, but (mostly) agrees ... [Read More]

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Rob

Fred Perlman makes the same argument in The Continuing Appeal of Nationalism...it's a fairly convincing one, too

flies his black and red forevah :)

http://www.spunk.org/texts/misc/sp000166.txt

s0metim3s

Perman, yes.

I don't really follow the argument about Westphalian sovereignty, the internationalisation of capital and so on.

The only people who claimed that Westphalian sovereignty was exported to the rest of the world, as a template, are those who saw a linear line of progression in which 'Third World' states would eventually come to resemble those of the 'core' (EU, etc). It was a mythical proposition of capitalist universality, but hardly undermines the arguments about biowar, which is precisely an argument about the distribution of violence.

And the argument about the internationalisation of capital is just that, about *inter*-nationalisation. I'm not clear about how that suggests states are not central to this process?

Anyway, someone who has put Foucault together with Marx with some interesting results is Warren Montag: http://www.long-sunday.net/long_sunday/2006/01/necroeconomics.html

Amish Lovelock

And you don&t think multiculturalism is racist??? My god the whole point about biopolitics in the 1920s-30s was to incorporate the views and life of the colonies! Contemporary democracy and liberalism rests upon colonial nationalism and self-determination. Empire without colonies!!!

Amish Lovelock

Recruiting local soldiers!!! Thats the whole point!!

Read Yamanouchi Yasushi and Narita Ryuichi @Total war and mobilization@ followed by anything that might suggest implications for the colonies such as Louise Young @Japans Total Emopire@

jake

perhaps another way of addressing this issue would be questioning whether democracy leads to imbalances, inequities--including perhaps racism (which might not simply consist of caucasians against "minorities")...and in many cases it could be shown that democracy does result in, or tend to, various inequities, tho' that is not imply communist or fascist remedies...but perhaps rethinking consensus, voting, representation, or, barring that, Bakuninia ...

Virgil Johnson

The use of racism is just a tool employed to bring about a division. In America's early slavery days it was necessary (in their minds) to debase a race in order to profit by the slaves demise. They tried to justify their position in the eyes of the people by perpetuating lies.

Racism is an instrument to set at odds one ethnic group with the other. Elites will always posit their aristocracy into a specific group, if it has a certain racial quality it merely accentuates this separation to enforce the condition to their benefit.

It is the mass of people that embrace this lie of superiority that become tainted with racism - however, their racism is never beneficial because they have been propagandized. You find racism of this sort among the intellectually challenged - those not able to see beyond the smoke and mirrors of the elite.

It justifies in their mind that they are superior and therefore excell, while those not so gifted (blacks, hispanics, indigenous people) suffer because of their inherent inferiority - they just do not have the "right stuff." You can see this same tool being used in Iraq - the occupying power put's extreme groups in power, in turn everyone begins to fight each other rather than concentrating on the occupying force.

Before this invasion anyone of differing religious position, whether they were Shia or Sunni intermarried with no thought - now because the differences have been magnified, they fight, each camp struggles to become the controling power. Those who want to grasp the reigns of power press on the differences, and unfortunately all this does is enforce the occupying powers position - that they have to stay there a long time. If the fighting gets too fierce they will probably partition areas - this is always how colonial, neo-colonial powers advance.

So, there is no grand plan to destroy a certain race per se, it is merely a tool used by the elite to gain control of whatever they desire. However, I do not think it woud bother them if their perverse ways comitted genocide on a given population - as long as they get what they want. Hence, this gives rise to certain theories, like the one Jodie quoted - but it is merely mistaken because it only concentrates on the external activity rather than the underlying reasons.

Virgil Johnson

Here is another illustration using the religious principle to divide. Take a look at the girl blog:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com

Here you find a classic example of the division principle in practice. Note carefully her words of discription:

"...the rift that seems to have worked it's way through the very heart of the country, dividing people...Sunnis are like this, Shia are like that....discrimination based on sect has become so commonplace....political parties are pushing this with every speech and every newspaper....what role are the occuppiers playing in all of this? It is very convenient for them, I believe....they can be the neutral foreign party trying to promote peace and understanding between people who, up until the occupation, were very peaceful and understanding."

It does not matter the tool that is used to divide - religion, race, politic - division is the primary tool of the ruling and rich elite. It is used so much someone could mistake it for the nature of a state or nation, when it is merely a tool employed by those - if I can say this just to make a point - who are truly evil.

ricia_pd

To say the Nation State is inherently racist, founded upon historical materialism, would be correct. I don't think this can be debated. To say the State is inherently motivated by racism - I couldn't agree with. Money. Money and Power. That's the principal motivation and excuse for a State in the first place. Race, religion, ideology et al.. is a poor excuse to attain the prior and shockingly affective means of culling the gullible masses under State control.

.... my two cents....

: )

Eric

I am of a firm belief that the dominate reason that there is no solution to racism is that there are to many people with a vested interest in continuing it. Many of the organizations that profess to fight this cancer in fact perpetuate it. If a black man or woman is successful he is not held in esteem but lambasted as a sell out, why?

Fortunately I see that many young blacks are beginning to see through the hypocrisy of it all. They are beginning to see the value of education and that being accepted into the society is not being isolated to your race but becoming part of an open society that accepts that hard work, intelligence will lead to success with out consideration of skin color.

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